Utah Rave

I am shaking with rage right now. “Witnesses say undue force used at rave” Was it undue? I’m not sure. I do believe that it was unjustified. Listen to the last bit of audio on the video that was being taken. “Put the camera down. You’re under arrest.” What was his crime? As near as I can tell, it was the audacity of videotaping the police.

Listen closely to me. This is for every police officer out there. I have the right to videotape you. You have a choice. I shoot video, or I shoot bullets. You take the first away from me, and I will do the second.

Count on it. Bring this to me in Texas, you jackbooted thugs.


  1. Jenn says:

    Makes you wonder what they’re so worried about when they’re being video taped.

    Yes, I work for them, and yes, I have a new found respect for them. I also have a new found disrespect for them.

  2. R says:

    Meh. The music sucked anyway. It was probably for the best.

  3. Phelps says:

    I appreciate what they do, but the bad ones are too damned dangerous to keep around. They are like puppies — if they get out of hand, you say a cross word to them, and most of the time they stop. But when they start biting, you have to get rid of them.

    I’ve met lots of good cops. None of the good cops I’ve met have been SWAT or NARC guys.

  4. Jenn says:

    I agree, Phelps.

    I got my ass kicked by a cop. And harrassed by antoher. The bad ones are dangerous to keep around. I didn’t file a claim because I was “too scared.” Now, I’m realizing I should have. It seems as though my shoulder is permanently screwed.

    But, it was a good cop that made the bad cop stop. And it’s good cops that have helped me when I’ve needed them.

    I’m a bit tainted working here. That I will admit. But, I love my job, and I do respect them. It’s actually taken a toll I didn’t think it would take on me, with the two we just recently lost.

    It sucks that more people are afraid of cops now days than they are trusting. But, I guess there’s reasons for it.

  5. HMT says:

    In my opinion there is NEVER ENOUGH violence at a rave. Those back-rubbing, ecstacy-taking, marshmellow-brained fucktards all deserve to be beaten with sticks for hours on end. Mostly because they listen to the WORST kind of techno.

  6. Phelps says:

    I can’t disagree with that. Unfortunately, in this case, it was police doing the beating (can’t let them get into that habit) and it was over drugs (a habit we need to break the police of).

  7. guy in the UNLV jacket says:

    So how was hanging with the Mexigouge?

  8. ricardo says:

    Heard aboiut this last week, makes me wonder about “The Land of the Free?”

  9. Paul says:

    I’m not sure I can go along with your uber-libertarian perspective on this one. Seeing as the camera was set up on the stage in a manner that suggests a tripod, I surmise the camera person was part of the Rave organizers. Leaving the “War on Drugs” argument aside, I would argue that Raves are illegal and the camera person should be arrested. Finally, the authority figure was firm, but calm in directing the suspect to submit to arrest.

  10. Phelps says:

    1) Raves are not illegal.
    2) Saying that because someone is allowed to setup a camera onstage that they are an organizer is a non sequitor. I was a professional videographer, and I got a lot of access then without having a part in the actual event itself. In any event, see #1. I also saw a lot of amatuer videographers in the same places simply because they had a camera.
    3) It doesn’t matter how proper the arrest procedure was when the arrest was illegal from the start. I think it is pretty clear at this point that the entire operation was conducted in bad faith, and regardless of that, “documenting an illegal act” with the exception of child pornography is not illegal. The end.

  11. Paul says:

    Your blog, brother, but . . .
    1. whether or not “raves” are illegal, they commonly are wrapped up in illegality such as: trespassing (or renting it under false pretenses), underage alcohol use, statutory rape, use of illicit drugs (whether you agree with those laws or not), playing bad music, etc.
    2. who is and is not involved in a populous, alcohol-laden event like that is more safely sorted out when the authorities have control – which usually means detaining or arresting a large number of participants.
    3. maybe I missed something or you know more than I; I don’t know what you mean by conducted in bad faith. I think I’d like to know what prompted the arrests and what the results of the night were, before I started hammering the cops for what I saw of the clip.

  12. Phelps says:

    1) There was no trespass at this event; the organizers took reasonable precautions to exclude alchohol and drugs (door checks), and statutory rape… well, that’s just stupid to bring up. Why don’t you raid proms if that is your thing?

    2) Alcohol use is legal, and the police aren’t supposed to break up populous events (that pesky 1st Amendment).

    3) Why was it in bad faith? Because they knew that there were permits secured with the county health office weeks in advance, scoured the records, found a permit they thought that they might need and didn’t have, and then sat on that info for three weeks. If you have a suspicion about an event, and instead of clearing it up, you plan a paramilitary raid, that is conducting a raid in bad faith.

    There is nothing inherently illegal about a rave. In fact, it appears that the organizers went above and beyond in keeping this one legal, and instead of cooperating with them, the police instead made plans to disrupt the event. That’s bad faith.

  13. Paul says:

    Well, with all that information, I guess I can’t disagree with you. I guess I shoulda read the article before opening my keyboard (sheepish grin). I just went straight for the video. What’s all this about sax and violins?

  14. James G. says:

    What did they say when they ran out of ecstasy at the rave?

    “Hey, who turned on this crappy music?”