Voting Economics

8 Comments

  1. Jazzy says:

    And the correlation between the story link and your summary would be?

  2. Phelps says:

    Black people vote overwhelmingly Democratic, and in this race, overwhelmingly Obama. If the vote is guaranteed — if no matter what the candidate does, he is getting someone’s vote — then he no longer needs to worry about campaigning to that person.

    I’m firmly of the belief that the Democratic party does not give one hoot what black people think because they believe that black people will vote for them regardless. (Hell, black people vote for them even though they have Robert Byrd as a party leader.) I firmly believe that what campaigning happens around black people by the Democrats happens solely because it makes white people feel better. It isn’t to get black votes, because they already have the black vote.

    One of the best ways to give black people a louder voice in our process would be for Obama to lose the nomination (barring riots) and to have black people defect in significant numbers (30% or so, like for Ike) and show the Democrats that this isn’t a guaranteed bloc.

  3. Jazzy says:

    Phelps I do agree with some of what you said but I am going to have to call you out letting stereotypical talk filter into your defense. The Democratic party and the Rethughicans oops I’m sorry Republican party could care less about the black vote. Let’s get something straight 12.8% of the American population is composed of Black people. Black people alone can not vote or vault Obama to the white house there happens to be a pretty large amount of your people voting for Obama. Understand. Moving on.

    The statement barring riots just goes to illustrate that your neck might be a little red. BARRING RIOTS this is a bigoted (note I said bigoted not racist) statement. NOT all black people riot when things don’t go there way if that was the case you would have small mini riots every day. The people you are referring to can be cast into the same boat as rednecks. Barring riots sheesh!

  4. Phelps says:

    I know that the vast majority of black people don’t riot. The riots I’m worried about will be started by white anarchists, not black people. But black people will be blamed, and the middle 10% will be put off by it. (Notice the graphic they chose to put on the page in the upper right.)

    The last few elections have been won by percentages of less than 4%. Democrats are relying on that 10% that they get from 12.8% of the population. If the Republicans can change that to 7% of 12.8%, the the Democrats are done.

    Remember, there are 45% of the population that is always going to vote Republican, and 45% that is always going to vote Democrat, and the election is decided by that middle 10%. The Democrats are relying on 10% of their 45% on coming from the black vote. If Republicans can change those numbers to 48% vs. 42%, then it is a game-changer, and Republicans know it.

    There is plenty of racism in the Democratic party. This primary should have proven to you that racism is not a “Republican” thing. (I believe it is more of a Democratic thing, but what do I know, I’m just the right color to hear white racists speaking freely.) Suppose you are right. Suppose Republicans are conniving powermongers who will do anything to win. Don’t you suppose it makes more sense, even in that situation, to cut a deal with them, and make them beholden to you, because it was your 3% that put them over?

    Voting Republican is a win-win for black people. Democrats will be forced to take a hard look at how they think about black people. Republicans will be beholden to black people. Republlicans already hold a lot of values in common with most black people.

    And most of all, people will stop looking at them as “black votes” and start thinking of them as the same as white votes.

  5. Jazzy says:

    “I know that the vast majority of black people don’t riot. The riots I’m worried about will be started by white anarchists, not black people. But black people will be blamed, and the middle 10% will be put off by it. (Notice the graphic they chose to put on the page in the upper right.)”

    Ok so I viewed the website and say the subliminal message, however, in this instance revolving around politics black people are not going to riot. Not even a few of them, I mean seriously black people are used to getting screwed I think to a certain extent we are expecting some kind of back –handed deal to steal the democratic nomination away from Obama anyway. So you point there is moot.

    “The last few elections have been won by percentages of less than 4%. Democrats are relying on that 10% that they get from 12.8% of the population. If the Republicans can change that to 7% of 12.8%, the Democrats are done.”

    Those last few elections you are talking about were not won or decided by the black 12.8%. Why? The answer is simple because in the last couple of elections black people have become so disenfranchised most have not even bothered showing up at the polls; so another moot point.

    “Remember, there are 45% of the population that is always going to vote Republican, and 45% that is always going to vote Democrat, and the election is decided by that middle 10%. The Democrats are relying on 10% of their 45% on coming from the black vote. If Republicans can change those numbers to 48% vs. 42%, then it is a game-changer, and Republicans know it.”

    That middle 10% are known as independents. As you have already stated in a previous post black people tend to vote democratic therefore, it is easily assumed that we should be counted in that 45% that will always vote democratic.

    “There is plenty of racism in the Democratic Party. This primary should have proven to you that racism is not a “Republican” thing. (I believe it is more of a Democratic thing, but what do I know, I’m just the right color to hear white racists speaking freely.) Suppose you are right. Suppose Republicans are conniving power mongers who will do anything to win. Don’t you suppose it makes more sense, even in that situation, to cut a deal with them, and make them beholden to you, because it was your 3% that put them over?”

    First I don’t believe that racism is party dependent. I think the majority of black people know that democratic and rethugican parties are composed of people that harbor racism and will exploit that to their benefit. Second, I don’t believe I ever said anything about Rethugicans being power mongers. Third, I read on someone else blog this statement and I think it applies to your last sentence: the devil I know is better than the devil I don’t know.

    “Voting Republican is a win-win for black people. Democrats will be forced to take a hard look at how they think about black people. Republicans will be beholden to black people. Republlicans already hold a lot of values in common with most black people.”

    You are correct in your assumption that Democrats will have to re-evaluate how they view and court the black vote should an overwhelming number decide not to go to the polls in November. Rethugicans beholden mmmmm nuff said.

  6. Jazzy says:

    “And most of all, people will stop looking at them as “black votes” and start thinking of them as the same as white votes”

    Call me a cynic but as long as you have polls that specifically poll for race, sex, ethnicity, age range you are never going to get the population at large to at votes as just votes.

  7. Phelps says:

    Call me a cynic but as long as you have polls that specifically poll for race, sex, ethnicity, age range you are never going to get the population at large to at votes as just votes.

    There’s something to that. But right now, people don’t court white votes as “white votes”. (Racist votes, maybe. But not as white people in general.) Maybe I’m an romantic, but I look forward to a day where the concept of a “black vote” is as ridiculous as a “Chevrolet driver vote” or a “Rocky Road vote.”

  8. Roseanne Barr is white (and a complete moron) and she is calling for people to riot at the DNC. She needs to head on back to her trailer and drink a beer. I detest that woman.